Based on 1.496 opinions finded in 3 websites
Based on 1.496 opinions finded in 3 websites
Nº 235 in 322 in Lewes
Nº 58 of 73 Other cuisines in Lewes
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Lovely Pub, staff were amazing, friendly, nothing was to much for them. Will definitely be going there again
Bev Mann . 2024-12-06
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Lovely pub with Harvey's on tap. Great food. I advise to book a table
Trish Madden . 2024-11-20
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I love this pub! Best food, lovely staff and great dogs ❤️
Dora Healey . 2024-11-16
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Love this place. Very interesting and quirky interior and lovely fluffy doggies sleeping mostly are super friendly. Great place to chill in the great atmosphere in the dark cold evenings.
Atom . 2024-11-09
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I am surprised about the reviews on Sunday roast, as when paying £18 for a roast you don’t expect steamed veg and frozen chewy potatoes. Its unfortunate as it’s a lovely pub! But I think they are in need of new kitchen as it has alot of potential. I’m from Brighton and pay £17-£20 on roasts and they are outstanding with roasted flavoursome veg and homemade gravy & roasties.
Maria Raine . 2024-11-05
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Wonderful pub staffed by wonderful people. Probably Lewes' most underrated pub.
Peter Steel . 2024-11-05
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We visited a few pubs in Lewes, and loved the friendly atmosphere here. Beer (good range) and food all good and, unlike some reviews suggest, good value and in line with the rest of the town. Pub was very busy at 5:00 p.m. on only wish we could have stayed for the band at 8:30. And what is spectacular setting under the cliffs
Tania and Paul Donnachie . 2024-10-20
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What's not to like? A little mad but cosy and cool.
Angus Walker . 2024-10-18
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Didn't have food so can't comment, but great friendly pub.
Liz Brammall . 2024-10-18
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Service is poor, queued for over 20 minutes but staff kept walking off rather than serving the customers waiting. Not worth the long walkout of town to get to, unless you have all day to spare!
Simon . 2024-10-03
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Went to the snowdrop on Friday evening, great atmosphere, friendly, welcoming staff, wide selection on tap with lots to choose from on their extensive menu! a 5 star from me😁
Josh Speltz . 2024-09-29
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Avoid like the plague. Shocking behaviour from one staff member this afternoon
Geoff Mills . 2024-09-28
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I love this pub, they have a great rotation of beers, very friendly staff, food is decent & it's very dog friendly. The pub has a great vibe & character, it's 100% worth a visit if you're in Lewes!
Sam Greene . 2024-09-27
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Lovely food and great selection of beers. Friendly and fluffy dogs are a bonus :)
Serena Bilot . 2024-09-25
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A lovely place, the food is very good, very busy on the day we went but still very nice
Steven Evernden . 2024-09-23
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Awfully run, staff seemingly dead to any vestiged notion of customer service; in the end walked out having waited over 20 mins to get a drink
Simon O'Flynn . 2024-09-21
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My partner and I went to the Snowdrop on an evening out, and we were pleasantly surprised. It's hidden away but so worth the walk from the high street. The drinks were well-priced, and the outdoor garden was a great place to sit and enjoy the sunny evening. We will definitely come back.
lexi . 2024-09-20
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4 pints £29-50 compared to around £20 and under at other pubs- there are plenty of them in Lewes! Drink prices way out of line
Kevin . 2024-09-08
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Great lunch today, thanks for good service 😀
Marie Fraser . 2024-09-07
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What an excellent pub! I only stumbled upon it after a hike. Brilliant selection of craft beers on draft and a couple of cask ales. Very nice beer garden below the chalk cliff. Very enjoyable chat with the friendly owner Dominic. I’ll be back!
MarkR . 2024-08-30
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Lovely old pub with great beer garden
James Humphrey . 2024-08-28
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Such a lovely little pub. Went with some family members on a bank holiday weekend with our dog. It’s a very welcoming pub and food was lovely!! Staff were so nice as well. Highly recommend it.
Jun_Oh . 2024-08-25
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Enjoyed a really enjoyable Saturday afternoon here with friends. Nice atmosphere, great staff, good home-cooked pub grub at reasonable prices.
Matt Watkinson . 2024-08-25
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Went for a cycle from Eastbourne to Lewes on the cycle path and stopped here. So glad I did ,from service to food 5* all the way . Great pub away from the hustle of town . Had the Lamb roast so glad they don’t give you a ridiculous sized Yorkie pud sometimes that ruins a meal because it fills you up and and can’t enjoy the meal , what that serve is the perfect size . So my personal recommendation Lamb roast and Fig tart and cream. Nice selection of various IPA’s Defo return.
Darren Gurr . 2024-08-18
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Apparently, the pub is awful, according to some reviews on here. But we liked it. Good beer and food. You can't please all the people all of the time. Keep up the good work, and ignore the nay sayers.
Neil Hampson . 2024-08-05
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Interesting menu with lots of smaller dishes for £9. Lovely decor. Friendly staff and landlord.
Jan Hill . 2024-08-02
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What a terrible fall from grace. Having spent a misspent youth in The Snowdrop I was disappointed to find a badly run pub with an arrogant manager who thinks it’s ok to chastise his bar staff in front of customers. Rule number 1. You make yourself look like an idiot, not the staff you’ve failed to teach. The food was good, just a shame it’s so badly managed. Time to move on, I think.
Declan Newman . 2024-07-28
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My husband had been before and raved about the vibes and great food. So I went back with him and now kidding the most amazing comfort pub grub ever. Steak and Kidney pudding made proper like my nan used to make it. Feeling very satisfied! Can’t wait to go back and try more. Plus also dog friendly. They have 3 of their own and didn’t mind ours being tied up in the garden while we ate. Also the landlord or boss was really friendly and chatty. This is what pubs should be about in 2024!
JimmyGalaxy . 2024-07-25
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Lovely pub with a great selection of beers. There's a few veggie options on the menu, and the staff are really welcoming.
Paul Jauncey . 2024-07-23
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Good food - including good vegan and veggie options. Friendly staff.
Ewan Cushan . 2024-07-20
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A gorgeous pub. Many of us remarked that it was the best pub we’d ever been to (not just because of the gorgeous samoyeds).
Holly Leech . 2024-07-13
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Fantastic local pub for everyone! Very caring staff and amazing owner. The Samoyeds are lovely and great mascots!
Henry Chown . 2024-06-04
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I hate to post this review but the last couple of times that we've been there for food it’s not been up to their usual standards. Very oily chips, seemed like they had been re heated. Soup was Luke warm and the bread seemed like it had been defrosted as it was cold in the middle.
BS . 2024-06-03
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#Thanks for quick response!. I adore both cask and keg and have been brewing for more years than I'd like to count. Cask I agree is more historical....which is why I love it. These days keg has more yeast in it that many casks...which is why I also love it! #Past it's prime. Struggled to find any cask in a bar that used to be well known for its cask....and passionate soul.
Liam Burford . 2024-05-25
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Lovely little pub, cosy and friendly. Nice garden to sit in too. Good choice of beers at the bar and a lovely roast dinner. Very reasonable prices and great food. The nut roast was particularly good.
liam nightingale . 2024-05-19
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Place was empty on a Saturday evening, when I ordered a round and queried the price (Guiness is a mere £8 a pint!) I understood why there was nobody there. Utterly absurd pricing, won’t be back.
Nick T . 2024-05-19
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Lovely pub with excellent garden and a huge food menu at a decent price point! Staff are all really lovely.
Aimée-lou Nunan . 2024-05-14
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What a shame this place used to be fabulious, I can only think it has changed hands because what used to be a cosey refuge it where you could chill, listening to lovely music and eating cutting edge food slightly different to other Lewes offerings. Now is a really unwelcoming attempting to be off the wall pub, playing odd old music and this attempted image fails on every level. To put it simply if I could this place a minus I would!!!!! The staff were aloof boardering on downright rude. The food unpleasant, I had a berger described as hand made, but, the mince had a really strange taste and texture, it was just not right.
Laney . 2024-05-11
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Very busy when we arrived but found additional seating upstairs which was great. Ordered food from the very varied menu and it came With in 10 minutes which considering it was very busy was impressive. The food was very well presented , very pleasantly delivered and more to the point was hot and very enjoyable. So impressed with the whole Experience definitely recommend the Snow Drop.
Nigel B . 2024-04-27
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Our One drink enabled us to experience a bohemian pub. The food appears reasonably priced and varied. The drink, wine, and Harvey's Old Ale was great...
Christofer Fay . 2024-04-27
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Named after an 1836 snow avalanche, the worst in British history, the Snowdrop Inn is a lovely pub with a quirky bohemian vibe and delicious food. I always visit it when I am in Lewes.
Michael Schratter . 2024-04-11
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Amazing pub. Beer absolutely on point and vibe fantastic. 5 mins from Beak brewery, go there first and here after for a perfect craft beer session
Jethro Holman . 2024-04-10
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Guinness was expensive, I was charged 3.50 quid for a half pint - other pubs in Lewes charge around 3 quid and sometimes less
Pete “chezruss” Russ . 2024-04-05
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Great staff, always smiling and fast to serve. Huge range of beers. Had a lovely afternoon sitting in their beer garden taking in the sun.
Tim Hancock . 2024-03-31
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First time trying this place on this bank holiday weekend. The decor is great and the atmosphere is upbeat and lively, very friendly crowd and in general with the customers. There is outdoor space on both sides of the pub, one is non-smoking, the other is larger but the tables were pretty old and knackered so we moved. The menu is decent, the food alright for a pub. Most mains are set at £16 which is fair but I do feel like the curry was like a premium ready meal, especially the rice that came with the beef madras I ordered. Mrs had spicy Cajun wings which she liked and the chips too were very good apparently, that sounds like a silly thing to mention but many places don't get the simple bits right but this did. The salad that came with the wings was not the usual token, basic salad you get a lot of places, it was much better. There are resident dogs in the pub and they're beautiful 😍 The pub doesn't stock typical branded beers/lagers which I don't mind as I like to try something new, the barman I spoke to was helpful in choosing a drink and it was very nice 🙂
Tom Carter . 2024-03-30
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A dog friendly venue with very helpful staff..
John Barchan . 2024-03-29
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We went for Sunday roasts last weekend. We were in a big group that had to move inside as we were a bit cold, staff did a great job and keeping track of our food order. Food was excellent. The pub is a great pub. Thanks to all the lovely staff that put up with our musical chairs!
Tim . 2024-03-26
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We had such a lovely Saturday lunch at this pub. The staff are very welcoming and speedy. The beers they have on are great. The food is proper 'pub grub' and the veggie options were fab. Affordable prices and a lovely atmosphere overall. Highly recommend.
Beth exworth . 2024-03-17
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Incredible food, welcoming staff and cosy atmosphere.
Ilke Kartal . 2024-03-11
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Fig and walnut salad for £9 was absolutely terrible. 5 walnuts, 3 bits of blue cheese and some lettuce leaves is just abysmal. Good selection of beer.
Jesse Baker . 2024-03-09
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One of the best pubs I've ever been to. The sort of place that makes you miss England
J BdeQ . 2024-03-08
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Nice pub, friendly staff and cute dogs! Had Sunday roast, maybe it was because it was a bit later in the day but the food wasn't great, not terrible but a bit dry. Would definitely come back to this pub, but only for drinks
J D . 2024-03-04
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Had a bad experience 1st visit , the young female manager was so rude it was unbelievable, all because she messed up an order and we waited 50 minutes for a bowl of chips and politely asked where our order was, given it was a quiet afternoon. ..but we all have bad days, second visit the prices were suddenly increased £8.50 for 1 pint of Ale....? funny enough I saw the manager whispering to the barmaid as she saw us being served, asked for a drinks price list after Iwe paid as we were so shocked at the prices. I was told they don't have one , I know thats illegal but response from the barmaid was just rude and obnoxious, that's OK you have neither my business or any of the people I was with anymore.
sharon chance . 2024-03-02
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Such a nice atmosphere! The staff was so gentle and friendly, the food was very tasty and the doggies… omg the doggies 😍 just lovely!
Fernando Leyra . 2024-02-26
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Lovely pub, great atmosphere and full of really nice locals. The burger is delicious.
fred fulford . 2024-02-19
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Hadn't been here in almost 27 years. Really hadn't changed very much. Great atmosphere and service. Food decent if too salty for my tastes. Great steampunk vibes, good playlist. No cask beer it seems but decent German lager e.g. Rotthaus. So glad I visited it again.
Matt Clarkson . 2024-02-16
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Had high hopes with this place, on the face of it it has everything but delivered very little in value, hygiene and service. We turned up wanting food, it was busy but the offer of a table with hardly anything cleared from it of the last lot of customers was what we took. My wife said the female toilets had no toilet paper, no bins and had teenage girls hanging around it so wasn't a great start. I ordered two pints of beer, that came to £14! Had we been teleported to Shoreditch? They made a half arrsed attempt at clearing the table, which we had to finish off. The thought of food here quickly dissipated and we headed off back into town.
Alex Moseley . 2024-02-10
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Walked in to go for a Sunday lunch birthday meal and the three staff behind the bar couldn't even lift their heads up to greet us with a simple hello. How very rude. If the miserable bar staff weren't enough to put you off then the dank smell would be. Recommend some serious staff training or perhaps a change of career. Avoid like the plague.
Della Potter . 2024-02-04
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Had an early evening meal. The food was excellent. Allowed us to rearrange tables as there was 9 of us. Plenty of different beers to try.
Paul Sharp . 2024-01-30
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Very nice food, very cosy and pleasant atmosphere...
Miro Dimitrov . 2024-01-29
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Great selection of beers and service with a smile. Was able to taste a few beers before deciding which ones to have. A good decent pub.
Bruce . 2024-01-28
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The Sunday roast is good value and it's possible to get served even if you haven't booked a table. The staff are friendly and there's a good atmosphere.
Jon Bird . 2024-01-15
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We originally popped into the Snowdrop on the way to Beak Brewery but decided to stay the night as the beer and atmosphere was spot on. We were spoilt for choice as there were so many kegs on the go. We found the bar staff to be really friendly and knowledgeable and we also enjoyed meeting Rosie and Jim the Samoid dogs. I even played ball with Rosie outside in the beer garden. I can't comment on the food as we had already eaten.
David Summers . 2023-12-13
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First time in the pub lovely pub great service the beer was great decor is very nice the owner was very friendly I would recommend this pub and we will definitely be going back again
Sharon Ashton . 2023-12-09
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Lovely place but the roast portions were painfully small. Had to ask someone at the bar for more veggies as the we only had a small bowl between us. When you're paying £17 for a roast you expect a generous amount of veggies. Otherwise awesome place and good selection of bevs!
Marc Gurny . 2023-12-05
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Had a lovely Sunday lunch here. We enjoyed the beef and chicken roasts, along with a tasty vegan chilli. They had some delicious beers on tap too. Will go back again 😁
Ian S . 2023-11-12
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Just been for the most amazing Sunday Roasts. Tender meat (we had beef & lamb), fantastic roast potatoes & yorkshire and a super separate dish of vegetables including parsnips & red cabbage! Delicious. Service by all the staff was welcoming & so friendly. Dominic the landlord and the pub dogs are lovely. We'll be back! Many thanks Trish, David & Amelia Woodingdean.
Patricia Nugent . 2023-11-12
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Beautiful little pub that brought back childhood memories!!! Rosie and Jim theme!! Absolutely loved it!! Staff were friendly and welcoming and love the 2 white fluffy dogs that were roaming free!! So cute!! Everything was amazing except the chilli con carne that I ordered it was so dry hardly any sauce to it and looked like it had just been heated up in the microwave as had a skin on the top. mixed it with the rice and even the rice was super dry so a bit hard to swallow without a drink maybe next time when we come back it'll be different but overall a nice place to go and enjoy a drink
kalie funnell . 2023-11-06
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Had a great lunch and met the wonderful Dominic who made us laugh looking forward to coming back VERY soon
Noel S . 2023-11-05
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Excellent Sunday roast, three veg options. Roast potatoes were crispy and fluffy!
MRC . 2023-11-05
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Looking forward to going back Good food and made to. Feel welcome
Martin Penfold . 2023-10-30
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Had a nice visit sat with 2 son,good pub.
Brian Hampson . 2023-10-24
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Highly recommend Sirloin Steak pie!
Guan-Yi Song . 2023-10-22
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Solid local pub with great beer.
Dan Pearson . 2023-10-21
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Wonderful pub, our favorite as we did the South Downs Way. Very welcoming, with a homemade menu and three resident dogs.
Steve Odendahl . 2023-10-17
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Didn't eat here but the Pino Grigio was delicious and coffee is superb. Very friendly staff. Would definitely visit again.
Serena Moore . 2023-10-17
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Fantastic selection of craft beers. Food good, but Sunday roasts described as vegan really should not be served with a non-vegan Yorkshire pudding.
Martin Hoskins . 2023-10-13
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Lovely pub tucked away in Lewes. I really loved the decor. The staff were hospitable and the food was tasty and homely. Would definitely visit again.
Rheana Bernard . 2023-10-04
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This pub has a great atmosphere, the decor is eclectic and the laid back but professional service provided by the friendly team made this a lace I am keen to visit again. We had a good selection of dishes, the menu was quite extensive and most of us found several things that we wanted to order. The pub had two separate gardens and plenty of seating in the bar downstairs, although they were fairly busy it felt spacious and unrushed. Highly recommended and we will definitely be back next time we are in Lewes, Thanks!
Paul Leach . 2023-09-30
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Were hiking in the area and had been here before, so popped in for lunch. Staff were very friendly and beers and food were excellent. Beers on tap we hadn’t tried before which was great. Chicken pie best we have found in Sussex so far.
DaveP453 . 2023-09-23
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A famous pub, good food, service was ok. They were a bit slow and one meal needed an amendment but the chef came out and checked, and made suggestions as to how he could sort it so that made up for any other problems. And when the food arrived it was very tasty and excellent value
Martin Fleming . 2023-09-13
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All good here on a balmy early evening, prompt friendly service and a lovely pint enjoy in the garden!
Colin Sharp . 2023-09-12
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Lovely little quirky pub with an interesting history . Very friendly and helpful staff . The pub has two small gardens one for non smokers and one for smokers also dog friendly . It has a very good menu with homemade foods and old fashioned puddings ! I had an amazing smoked mackerel and my husband had a 10 out of 10 chillie !
Susan Tremeer . 2023-09-10
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Had a lovely meal here this evening, one of the best vegetarian meals I've had for a very long time.
Deborah Bolton . 2023-08-23
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I was hiking with my LGBTQ+ hiking group called TREK/FIT on Sunday 20th August. After a long hike we ended up in Lewes where I had the pleasure of savoring a roast lamb dinner at The Snowdrop Inn, and I can’t stop raving about the incredible culinary experience I had. All of our hiking group were equally complimentary of the food and service. From start to finish, every aspect of the meal was absolutely fantastic. The food was cooked perfectly, generous in portion size and was accompanied by a medley of tasty vegetables. For such a large group we had a private upstairs area and the staff were always attentive and the food orders were delivered quickly. All of this and more in a rustic and cosy environment which sums up the traditional English pub. I hope we can return to this charming pub for another post hike social. Thoroughly recommended if you are in Lewes or the surrounding area!
andrewkeates . 2023-08-22
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A comically bad experience. My Sunday lunch ( quiche, salad, chips ) arrived with 7 or 8 actual chips surrounded by a mound of potato shrapnel, detritus from the bottom of the tray, which was truly unappealing. 15 quid btw. A polite complaint resulted in another small pot of chips arriving, albeit after I’d eaten the quiche. When the ( I’m guessing, long-suffering) waitress asked if everything had been ok, I said not really and that the plate that had been served suggested a cook who didn’t care much about either food or customers. Word got back quickly to Cook Dom, who popped out of the kitchen. Not, as you might imagine, to apologise, but to loudly call me out for being ‘childish’. When I reminded him of what an unappetising portion of ‘chips’ he’d produced, he justified it on the basis that it was, and I quote ‘what we had left’. It’s a bold position to adopt, you have to admit. So if you want to go to a quite sweet pub, pay 15 quid for the privilege of eating whatever they happen to have left, and then be insulted for having the temerity to mention that their scrapings weren’t quite up to scratch, then The Snowdrop is the place for you. Nice bar staff, but the cook might want to rethink his life choices.
Fearless13918301756 . 2023-08-13
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went to this pub sunday for roast with a group of friends we waited for so long when the food finally turned up it all was just luke warm the roast potatoes were just so hard meet was luke worm gravy was the same the children orderd ice cream and we had to go and see were it was just a rubish lunch all round i will not go back there no will my friends needs a big shake up
Cheryl Houghton . 2023-08-07
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I have a real soft spot for the Snowdrop as I have gone there for many years and seen it through many a shift and change. But sadly today my partner and I had the worst Sunday roast we have ever had. Shockingly poor standard - a bowl of wet soggy over cooked veg, two dry potatoes and luke warm gravy. Vegi option was thrown together and meat poor quality and fatty. Frankly inedible ..., I would love to return and see the standards raised - a Sunday roast is one of our British staples - easy for any chef to cook and loved by many. What's happened Snowdrop?
Fiona Condie . 2023-08-06
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Good selection of beer, friendly staff and dogs. Lost a couple of stars as my sausage mash and gravy was very salty, very very salty.
Ivan England . 2023-07-25
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Great and varied menu, loads of beers on tap and always excellent music
James Leigh . 2023-07-25
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Flott plass, med nydelig uteområde. Vel verdt ett besøk.
Terje Nauf . 2023-07-23
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Ich wollte auf meiner Radtour in England in diesem Lokal im Garten speisen. Die junge Bedienung hatte mich zwar gesehen, kurz genickt und hat sich dann einfach nicht mehr sehen lassen. Enttäuscht bin ich nach ca. 15/20 Minuten gegangen. Was für ein unmöglicher Service !
M W . 2023-07-18
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I was designated driver so oj n Lemonade was fine . My Brother had a cider , and tbf it was off and cloudy , changed it for a slightly better beer . Friendly place and my bro took a shine to the young lass with nipple rings .
Robb Richardson-green . 2023-07-15
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Tasteless roast in lewes, frozen yorkshire pudding and one random slice of courgette appeared in the overcooked veg. More upsettingly we found a hair through the chicken skin, we complained and asked for a refund for one of the roasts. The manager then approached defensively and began a conversation with 'you do know chicken are animals?' the pub wasn't busy and this an inappropriate and rude way to interact with a calm customer. I wasn't overly bothered that we weren't refunded but left saddened and disrespected by the interaction. Poor hospitality.
Anna Colgan . 2023-06-25
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10 out of 10 Would recommend Lovely staff Lovely food Lovely pooches Lovely garden
Joseph Payne . 2023-06-24
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Lovely quirky pub with a fantastic ambiance, friendly staff and nice home cooked pub grub food. Some decent ales to boot. What's not to like...
Paul Mellor . 2023-06-23
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Only attended outside due to a dance fest. Toilets and staff clean and friendly. Friends said excellent beer
Samantha Waddington . 2023-06-21
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Lovely, quirky pub - good choice of drinks - didn't look at the food menu though apparently that was good too. Two gardens to choose from and two welcoming fluffy dogs as well. Great ceiling decoration and quirky bits around the bar and garden too which automatically made me like the place - first impressions count for a lot 😁
Vicki Bloyce . 2023-06-18
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We've just made a return visit to this lovely pub & were shocked to be charged £7.50 for a pint of New Zealand vase water. Having recently read that patrons of the nearby Pelham arms have been charged £7 a pint, imagine our reaction to £11.25 for a pint & a half! I never expected seeing this in a small town like Lewes, no surprise that we left as soon as we finished our drinks, a quick visit to the gents w.c which was infested with flies & we were off, sadly we won't be back.
Mark Heslop . 2023-06-18
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Great pub with a good selection of locally brewed ales on keg and hand pump. Lovely food, good atmosphere, great beer garden and seating inside as well. I ate here with a friend and had the beef chilli, it was delicious. My friend had the smoked salmon and said her horseradish sauce was excellent. Friendly staff, a nice relaxing pub to enjoy good food and drink. Definitely worth making the trip to come back again.
James Clough . 2023-06-11
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Service was friendly enough and luckily plenty of room for all 8 in my group to sit. However, there was flies everywhere which made it a fairly unpleasant experience. There was also a dead fly in my son's beans. When I took it back, they found more dead flies in the beans 🤢. Disappointed by only 3 choices on the menu, Also, no mention of allergies/what was in the pies. If I had known there was mushrooms in the pie I would not have ordered it.
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Meat in pie tough and full of gristle. Pork belly overcooked and dry. Beans overcooked too.
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Sat down nice location menu on table staff acknowledged us and heard us discuss whst we would have for lunch. Went to order only to be told chef not in. So why menus on table and why not say something to us or the least have a note advising no food.
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This place has dropped it's standards since we last visited. It was grubby and clearly had not been cleaned properly in a while. The tables, floors, cutlery, glasses, toilets. Everything was visibly unclean. The staff didn't seem happy. It is half full of people working on laptops, so the atmosphere has taken a dive too. Such a shame.