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Nº 299 in 422 in Winchester

Nº 69 of 92 Other cuisines in Winchester

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Fantastic service and food, Rosie was great. She was very nice and and easy to talk to, certainly gave me a good reason to come back.

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Jake B . 2024-10-26

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As we walked in we were greeted with the familiar smell coming from beautiful bunch of Lillies. We were taken to our table right opposite a very welcoming coal fire the atmosphere was inviting service was great. we ordered and not 1 complaint. I can honestly say the BEST fillet steak cooked to perfection it’s hard to find a chef that can cook a perfect RARE. Succulent and flavoursome.Very happy lady. My friend had linguine crab prawn chiritzo with scallops yum yum. We finished with lemon tart well the pastry melted in your mouth no soggy bottom the inside didn’t disappoint lemon flavour was beautiful . the fruit chuntney and meringue not to our liking. The tart didn’t need anything else. Thank you for a wonderful experience we will be back

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Debbie M . 2024-10-23

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The food was pretty average we had roasts at lunch and we ordered an extra side of cauliflower cheese. The side came and there no cheese on it was dry and burnt but was replaced which was fine. The pork wasn’t fresh it tasted like it was reheated. However, Jack was serving us and was absolutely amazing he was so so polite and had excellent customer service skills and nothing was a bother. Jack is an asset the old forge.

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Rosanna M . 2024-10-20

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Lauren did a brilliant job looking after us and the barman was so efficient. The food was lovely, as always. We always have a good time.

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Helen B . 2024-10-20

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I just wanted to leave a review following a really wonderful lunch experience at the Old Forge yesterday. We were served by Stuart and he was extremely attentive, friendly and helpful and a real asset to the place. I have often come away disappointed previously because it has often felt disjointed and is expensive and therefore expectations align with the high price…. but I can honestly and happily say that the food (I had the prawn linguine and my son the signature burger) service, and ambience was faultless yesterday and I will look forward to returning again soon and not leaving it so long next time. Thanks again.

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Venture550133 . 2024-10-19

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Food was excellent but service was pretty poor. Waited a very long time to order initial drinks and were never offered further drinks at any point in the meal. When they cleared we asked for a jug of water which never arrived. At no point did anyone check in on our food or engage in any way. Waitress seemed to constantly forget what was said just seconds ago. Such a shame that the evening was spoilt by the poor service. The restaurant was not even busy and there was often three wait staff just chatting.

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Tunn300 . 2024-08-30

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We were a group of 8 women having dinner and everything was fabulous thank you. The service was terrific, James was our waiter this evening we had absolutely delicious food, thoroughly recommend dining here.

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Di T . 2024-08-27

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Couldn’t recommend this pub enough. We came in as an unbooked big party of 20 and they fitted us in with no hassle despite being busy. The manger was lovely and everyone who worked there accommodated us fantastically and to top it off the food was fantastic, a variety of food tried and loved. And it came out very quickly

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camperman . 2024-08-26

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Not overly impressed re service. False smiled waitress who wouldn’t always listen to the customers means things asked to excluded, were still delivered. Cutlery and glasses not checked before putting on table for cleanliness. Starters choice somewhat limited. Main course was “ok” but prawns not properly prepared but for sweet, think they had a cheese shortage when we were there. An ultra thin sliver that breaks when you to go to eat it only shows off a prowess for cutting cheese ultra thin. A piece big enough to savour would have been much better. Also try more standard crackers as the coloured thin ones given add nothing. All in all, not worth nearly £10. Appearance seems more important than taste. I wouldn’t bother with the rhubarb cider as it was under whelming, not even quench able.. Really needs to re look at itself and what customers actually want / expect as currently they miss the mark. Conclusion, was an acceptable meal but could he been better. Certainly not brilliant. Would we go here again, not in a hurry

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seh l . 2024-08-25

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I was celebrating my birthday with my sister and friend. Our waitress Ami was great. Very professional and friendly. The atmosphere is great and they do not blast you with head banging music. One can a lovely conversation.

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Diana A . 2024-08-22

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Nina was our server today! She was attentive and checked in on us several times! Our food was great (we had a pizza and a burger- the burger was better than the pizza) and we got a lovely table in the restaurant. The food came out quickly and they managed to find us a table in the restaurant even though we booked in the bar. I recommend this place!!

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Kaiah R . 2024-04-28

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Lovely atmosphere and the food is delicious. Great value for money. The staff is friendly and competent. Definitely one of our favourite places to go to for dinner with friends.

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Beatrice P . 2024-04-26

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Food was excellent as was our waitress Rosie who was extremely welcoming and friendly. She seemed busy but still kept smiling. All the staff made us feel welcome, we will definitely return!!

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Bernard B . 2024-04-25

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I used to come here regularly 20 years ago when I lived up the road and it’s still as good today as it was then. Lovely country pub with comfortable seating, great food and service, and an all-round good experience. Came in for lunch with my son who’s a bit of a burger connoisseur and he enjoyed it. Also came in recently for an evening meal on a Sunday - a delicious roast.

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steverandallUK . 2024-04-25

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We had a lovely lunch. Lauren looked after us. She was Very pleasant. Nice pub plenty of carparking. We will be back soon.

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Susan M . 2024-04-23

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Food was fantastic, service was excellent, great atmosphere. Busy for a Tuesday evening, book to avoid disappointment

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Roam47127621513 . 2024-04-23

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A last minute decision to lunch at The Forge. We received a warm welcome and decided to eat in the restaurant. Deciding to have the lunch menu we selected the pate and squid - generous portions and tasty. Hearing that the cod n chips was best in the village that was our choice. We were not disappointed as it was nicely cooked and a good portion. All in all a very pleasant experience - staff efficient and food good.

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HampshireTravellerUK . 2024-04-20

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We visited for a family lunch and were most impressed with the service, the quality of food, the menu, and value for money. We visited on a very busy Friday and were served by Alice, who was very pleasant and very efficient, considering she was covering the whole room full of diners. A top notch member of staff!

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MrAdman43 . 2024-04-20

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The Old Forge in Otterbourne is one of the best pubs for miles! The atmosphere is great, the staff are friendly and welcoming and the food is exceptional! It's great for any occasion, whether it be lunch , dinner or a special occasion. I highly recommend it!

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Pioneer25317423323 . 2024-04-14

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The booking was for a special 80th birthday celebration and special as the family are special was definitely not the experience ! For a table booking time of 6.45 seated we were with no greeting and 40 minutes later the waitress managed to come over reluctantly to get the drinks order , after we had gone to the bar to get at least the birthday boy his first pint ! Whilst waiting for the drinks (another 30 minutes or so at least ) we were asked to order our food? After saying we would like to have at least a drink first she then raised her eyes and walked off in a huff ? I ask you . Anyway we must have been there an hour when the drinks started to come through , no water as requested because apparently all the water jugs were in use ???? Even when checking on two bottles of wine that were not on the first serving she retorted ‘ I only have one pair of hands ! ‘ odd behaviour for a waitress . Anyway when we did order the food came and although starters were ok my main chilli noodles with crispy duck in sweet chilli sauce was inedible ? Very hard duck lack of sauce and the noodles was more like tagliatelle ?? Not sure what that was all about , I left it but a guy came over as noticed it was not good and offered to take it off the bill , which was good but was voluntary so thought that was odd . I was past complaining . When at the end of the meal still no water we checked all tables and no sight of water jugs so when asked at the bar the and reported this fact the glasses were soon put on the table with some water by the same waitress who did not appear happy , she heard us saying that it was odd no jugs when she interrupted shouting SORRY ??? As a retort ? We acknowledged to her that it was our conversation and not directed to her . Basically for a meal with a bill of over £600 the lack of care rudeness from her and atmosphere begs to wonder why on earth anyone goes there ? I for one shall never return . I do have to say the rest of the staff were all ok it was just the one who served us .

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Jackie T . 2024-04-14

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Lovely evening ,great pub Welcoming staff Alice was fantastic Food was great and our experience was very pleasant would go again

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lizzy m . 2024-04-13

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Having previously been disappointed with the flat tonic water '0n tap' this time we were greeted with a bottle of tonic by Stuart at the bar who had remembered our previous complaint re the G and T! Amazing and very much appreciated!

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Jim B . 2024-04-07

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LGreat service from Nina and others.Good menu and food appeared quickly. We came with twins under 1 and we were accommodated brilliantly. Thanks x

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Fliss22 . 2024-04-07

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Nina was very pleasant and helpful, the bar and restaurant was comfortable and spotless. The food was AMAZING!!!! Also very wheelchair friendly.

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O3274RXpascalb . 2024-03-29

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We dined here at lunchtime on a Saturday and opted for the all day menu. The service was really top class with staff being very attentive but not intrusive. The menu was extensive and the food was really excellent.

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PhilRWinchester . 2024-03-26

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Having visited for the first time a couple of weeks ago, we decided to give it another go and weren’t disappointed, the food was just as good and thankfully warmer than the first time we visited, not as hot as we would have liked but still a big improvement. Alice, our server went out of her way to accommodate our requests for a couple of changes on the menu, we both had roast chicken, the portions of which are very generous. We ordered a couple of sides but wouldn’t make that mistake again as the dinner served was more than enough and despite being extremely busy Alice was always smiley and nothing was too much trouble.

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Lynn H . 2023-11-27

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Terrible. We were kicked off our table so they could give it to someone else. We weren't told we only had a certain time, a member of staff said to us that we had five minutes to leave our table. We had intended to purchase puddings and more drinks but were told to move from our table. We were sat at our table at 13:00 and told to leave at 14:25. We moved to the bar to have more drinks but were told all the tables were for food. Seems to me that the Old Forge are all about money and not Old fashions customer care. Shame as we will never go back. Short sighted on their part as we were prepared to buy drinks all afternoon. And the pub industry wonder why they are struggling. Good buy The Old Forge hope it goes well with your money grabbing ways.

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634mrsf . 2023-11-26

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Good food, lovely atmosphere, service from Alice was great. Pub has brilliant decor, the age and origins coming through.

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X9691CVmichaelj . 2023-11-25

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We have visited the old forge on a few occasions now and have never been disappointed. We are usually a group of at least 8 people, so quite a few to deal with. Our last visit was 18th November. The welcoming atmosphere in this pub is fantastic with a log fire burning away. We were served by Rosie who was amazing, with her sense of humour , excellent service and a few stories. Nothing was too much trouble for her and even played a joke on my vegan fiancee. The food is first class with a varied interesting menu with plenty of vegan and vegetarian options. They will even try and adjust things if there is something you can't eat . The old forge at otterbourne is more than worth a visit, and if you're lucky enough to have Rosie serve you, you'll definitely have a good time. As her about the anteater!

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mark c . 2023-11-24

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A warm and cosy pub/restaurant with super atmosphere for a Thursday evening. Food was of high standard and no undue delays considering how busy the place was. Special mention for Alice our waitress - naturally cheerful, helpful and a good sense of humour. A real bonus to a very good evening.

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kevin w . 2023-11-23

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Excellent meal at the old forge with amazing waitress Alice! Thank you so much for looking after us!! Will be back soon x

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laura a . 2023-11-23

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Amazing food again, and amazing service from Alice.. definitely recommend the old forge We shall return again for a great meal

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Spartan R . 2023-11-22

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Great service by Alice tonight. Really enjoyed our meal. Would thoroughly recommend, we’ll certainly be back soon.

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Ben_lc1 . 2023-11-18

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Service was excellent , food good and great ambience . Alice who served us was very attentive and provided us with professional and courteous service

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howardgleadow . 2023-11-18

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Great good, and had exceptional service from Hannah H. My husband has a nut allergy and she took care and attention when ordering.

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katewD1287EW . 2023-11-17

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Lovely cosy pub with great menu and great service, James was particularly helpful and friendly! The food was really good and we will definitely be back.

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InckyB . 2023-11-15

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A friend recommend this pub to us and we weren't disappointed, our server, Lauren was very efficient. The food was delicious but our only 'gripe' was that it was served luke warm and by the time we got anyones attention, it was too late as we had to rush and eat it whilst it was at least warmish. Despite this we wouldn't hesitate to return.

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lhj125 . 2023-11-13

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Amazing service and food. We had Sunday roasts that were simply stunning and so so tasty Our service from Lauren was amazing too. It always is. We love this place

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DavidLuker51 . 2023-11-12

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We had a wonderful lunch today The food and service were both excellent Our young waiter Leo was very attentive and efficient and we will definitely be visiting again very soon

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614christina . 2023-11-12

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Food was lovely. I had the seafood linguini. We were a big group and Rosie looked after us nicely. The menu has a large selection of starters, mains and desserts.

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Maurizio L . 2023-11-09

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We were a large family group of 13 people and Rosie, our waitress was AMAZING. So kind, helpful, funny and nothing was too much trouble for her given we had a few mixed diet issues. Would love to return and hope to meet Rosie again. Wonderful experience

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DaleHowes . 2023-11-09

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Lovely meal. The food was really delicious especially the pork belly! Eleanor was friendly, polite and attentive. Lovely evening will be back

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Expedition567622 . 2023-11-09

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Very overpriced food which could be only described as adequate at best. Out of five meals, only one was outstanding. Some of the starters were good. My daughter's pasta looked and tasted like something I could have made myself in 10 minutes. My Cod and...

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Gus G . 2023-11-03

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Really excellent experience. Very nice lunch and service couldn't have been better. We would highly recommend this pub.

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Venture31456416548 . 2023-10-31

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Excellent service by Stuart. Food was amazing and the customer was also good. Fast service too no waiting around. Thank you

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Traceygarry . 2023-10-22

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Friends & I meet one a month for dinner & always receive great service & delicious food. Tonight was a very busy evening as they had a special offer on, but we still received great service & didn't have long waits for our food. We...

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CarolineC910 . 2023-10-19

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On this occasion though they had run out of certain things on the menu. As it was a promotion week I thought they might have foreseen this problem, so no lamb or custard for us yesterday!!!!

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pasty415 . 2023-10-19

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Amazing food and an lovely cosy atmosphere. We will definitely be returning, really really impressed. Would also like to mention the great, attentive service from our server Katie. She was brilliant!

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MegPotz . 2023-10-13

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We had pre booked a table inside for Sunday lunch but decided to sit outside and enjoy the sunshine. As it was getting busy we were told it would be table service. Alice came to our table to take our orders and was lovely, friendly...

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TimeOffWork . 2023-10-08

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I received a birthday meal offer where we basically had a ‘Buy one get one free’ for 3 courses. The quality and taste of the food was excellent. We both had the trio of roasts and all the meat was perfectly cooked. We also took...

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richardlP2100VJ . 2023-10-08

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We had a lovely family Sunday lunch at the Old Forge sat outside in the garden. Food was really nice. Alice made sure we were well looked after. Dog friendly. Would definitely recommend! Thank you.

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BMK24 . 2023-10-08

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Excellent service from Ami and Stewart. Helpful Ideas for gluten free meal suggested. Good ambiance.

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JoPayne17 . 2023-10-05

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Had an amazing night , all 6 of us loved our food and drinks (cocktails were great) James "our waiter" was very friendly and really helpful . Thank you.

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Joe S . 2023-09-28

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Really good meal, got a quiet table as requested and Alice our server was excellent. Will definitely visit again.

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heppleston999 . 2023-09-24

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I think pubs / restaurants should train their staff instead of just chatting behind the bar, if they did their jobs right the place would be clean, it was dirty, mucky, to be honest I don’t know why we stayed and had lunch it was...

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twoshot . 2023-09-24

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Lovely environment, great food and excellent service from Eleanor, who was very helpful. The Nourish salad bowl was particularly tasty.

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KarrieG . 2023-09-23

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Very nice food , and fantastic location . Service very good and friendly , by Alice and the whole team . !!! Enjoyed it thoroughly .

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Trip22423782393 . 2023-09-23

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One of my favourite spots! Never disappoints still to this day. You see staff come and go like every place but Rosie was so warm and welcoming and can laugh with you! Thank you Rosie!

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Alex A . 2023-09-21

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Excellent spot for a lunch date! Service from James and Emily in the bar was great, very friendly and the set lunch menu was fantastic value! We’ll definitely be back!

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Stuart C . 2023-09-18

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We had a fab lunch here today on a rainy day. It was nice and cosy delicious food great service and dog friendly! We would highly recommend !

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Nicki S . 2023-09-17

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Food was lovely and came out fast with great service. Our waitress was very polite and accommodating thank you.

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Luke C . 2023-09-17

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Lovely Sunday lunch with friends . Excellent beef, great service . Sticky Toffee pudding was excellent too. Highly recommend.

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Inspiration735331 . 2023-09-17

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We came here for lunch on a Saturday and had a lovely time. Food was delicious (especially the cheesecake pudding!), very nice outdoor area and very friendly, helpful server (thanks Eleanor!) Will definitely be returning

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travelhants . 2023-09-16

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Easy to get to and only a few minutes drive from the M3 so a good place to meet with friends coming from different directions

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Exploration563723 . 2023-09-16

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Very good service, especially one brunette girl was very polite. Will definitely be coming back with the Mrs.

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Sarah H . 2023-09-16

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Had a lovely evening catching up with a friend at The Old Forge - beautiful pub and Hannah B was super friendly and helpful. Food was epic too. Will definitely return.

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Hannah G . 2023-09-16

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We had a really great lunch here, and friendly helpful service from Alice our waitress who was good with a couple of allergies. It was nice not to be hurried out. Good value and nice food. Thanks

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GW13579 . 2023-09-15

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Nice meal with family, the food was good. The place was a little understaffed but Alice went out of her way trying to serve the busy restaurant and keep a smile on her face, she deserves a mention.

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greglarcombe . 2023-09-14

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We visited the old forge on Wednesday 6/9/23 in the evening. Sadly the quality of the food was very poor. Two starters and two main courses. Starters, salt and pepper squid and chilli prawns. Chilli prawns were awful. Tasteless and four small prawns with a...

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Discover03212334112 . 2023-09-06

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We’ve eaten at the Old Forge several times, as it’s a halfway point for several members of our family and a senior relative is in a care home nearby. There’s lots of parking space and plenty of seating inside and outside. It’s dog friendly too,...

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smamph . 2023-09-04

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Great food, ice atmosphere and fabulous service from Alice. Made to feel very welcome and attentive staff. Good food selection too!

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Andrew J . 2023-09-01

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This restaurant has lost its quality !! Second meal I have sent back !!! The meat part was nearly all fat and had a portion of COLD petters and pineapple on the side of a hot meal with sauce ???? The waitress said it was...

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Bonny B . 2023-08-31

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Fabulous meal Miranda was amazing very nice setting very quick service lovely food and drinks couldn’t manage a pudding too full

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Kelly-kingshott . 2023-08-28

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Food was generally good but variable - for instance we had 2 lambs and one was mainly just fat and the other was all meat! Good variety. Pub was busy and service suffered with one poor lady running around doing most of the work and...

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Foodlover5700 . 2023-08-27

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Excellent food and service Nice atmosphere Came for a birthday meal and wasn’t Disappointed Will definitely be back soon

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juliesmail1 . 2023-08-24

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Was an amazing evening the service was brilliant especially Alice! The food came out quickly and we were never left waiting. Perfect place and amazing food

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A4513NIsophier . 2023-08-19

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Great food and fast service, even though the pub was quite busy. All four of enjoyed our meals! Staff were very pleasant!

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debghosh23 . 2023-08-19

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Lovely food, good service. The curry was nice and the sticky toffee pudding and ice cream was really nice.

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Alan L . 2023-08-19

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Very good food from starter to pudding. Service was also very good. We were well looked after by Alice. Thank you

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Steve L . 2023-08-19

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Very nice - good food nice atmosphere. Well valued for what you get, I had the nourish bowl again which was tasty as usual with halloumi! Rosie was lovely and chatty :)

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Nightqueen98 . 2023-08-18

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Evening meal In restaurant. Very efficient service. Nice food- tasty. Not outstanding but good. Tables rather close for my liking which slightly spoilt the atmosphere - I could reach my arm out and easily touch the adjacent tables…. Alice, our waitress was very friendly &...

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seonaidb438 . 2023-08-17

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Brilliant night. Great food and atmosphere….Lauren is the best…..now that’s what you call service….you have to come back and buy Lauren a drink.

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Rajan D . 2023-08-15

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Had the Pork Belly roast and the Duo Beef Roast, both were delicious. The venue is lovely and relaxed. Our server was Miranda, she was really friendly and attentive. Will definitely return.

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OurExp-CM . 2023-08-13

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Yet another lovely roast at The Old Forge. Miranda was very patient and attentive to our needs. Thank you for an enjoyable dining experience.

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Katie H . 2023-08-13

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Lovely lunch with friends. Food was delicious and service was discreet and professional. Holly who served us was a delightful young lady and will go far with her lovely cheerful demeanour. We’ll be back.

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carolinewM9456WS . 2023-08-09

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We have eaten here many times and have always found it excellent - I always look forward to goiong there again.

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64pamelaq . 2023-08-07

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We attended the old forge as a family of 6 including one elderly in a wheelchair. Wheelchair access is relatively easy and enough room to move inside.There is a very welcoming and relaxing atmosphere in the pub inhanced by the gratious staff. We all had...

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mark c . 2023-07-30

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Excellent service. Served by Holly. Would definitely recommend and will certainly come again. Make sure you book on a Sunday.

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Elizabeth S . 2023-07-30

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Lovely welcome as usual from James, we visit the old forge often, great food, love the atmosphere & they are very accommodating. Highly Recommend

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942fayw . 2023-07-28

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Beautiful place and delicious lunch. Holly looked after us very well and was so sweet. It is a lovely country pub not far from Bishop's Walfham so if you plan a day out definately visit both. Food was very tasty and beautifully presented. Weather was...

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PamelaVio . 2023-07-27

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Ami was very helpful from the moment we arrived. Food was plentiful and tasty. The desserts are particularly amazing! Enjoyable visit for a special birthday!

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Compass21153638602 . 2023-07-27

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Nina was lovely and welcoming, and was very accommodating when I asked to swap a few things out. The food was delicious, 10/10. Would definitely recommend 😊

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LizzieMcManus . 2023-07-23

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We had a fantastic meal at The Old Forge. Great food and wonderful service from Miranda. Lovely atmosphere and great menu choice. Would recommend the scallops to start and lamb rump. A great evening 😊

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Meredith30 . 2023-07-22

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Lovely food and service as always. Alice our server was very friendly. Atmosphere was nice and relaxed.

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Donna B . 2023-07-22

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A spacious location serving excellent food and drinks. The staff were friendly, polite, fun and professional. All three of us had different starters, mains and puddings and each course was delicious. Very flavoursome and good portions. A varied menu with something for everyone. Great evening.

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debbierY8954IH . 2023-07-22

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Great service from our waitress Miranda. Food amazing great atmosphere. Good selection o real ales and cocktails. Highly recommend.

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Steve M . 2023-07-22

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Miranda was our waitress, she was really lovely. Super prompt service. Great food, such a cosy vibe for our anniversary. We had three courses and not a complaint about any of them. Very generous portions, but not too much where you feel awfully full! Would...

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GG22grant . 2023-07-22

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We recently visited this pub to celebrate a birthday. We enjoyed the food and great service. The whole experience was made even better by our waitress a delightful young lady called Katie. We will return.

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sarong88 . 2023-07-21

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Great service, thank you Holly! We really appreciated it. Will definitely be returning. Honeycomb ice cream was delicious. There is a starter, main, a roast, a drink and a dessert- all lovely

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ac2079 . 2023-07-21

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From the time we walked in to the time we left the service by our waitress Hannah H was amazing. She was attentive with a lovely warmth about her. The food was great, we ate from the set lunch menu, great value for money. The...

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X195ZCkareng . 2023-07-21

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I was inspired to write this review by seeing a Greggs eating numpty slamming the place for price. Yeah, they're not cheap but you're paying for quality ingredients and an amazing product which is value for money. For less than a fiver you're getting a huge sweet treat with complex flavours, a very satisfying, delightfully flaky pastry and a very satisfying and filling experience. If you want a hit of sugar and bland white, air filled bread? There are cheaper options! You won't get a limp chicken pasty here. If you want extremely satisfying bread made with high quality flour and an amazing crust? If you want tasty, sweet pastries with a delicious zing? If you love good food rather than ultra processed? Then this won't bust your budget and will fill you up. The venue itself is a warehouse with some benches other branches are much nicer.

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3.5

88 Opinions

location-iconWhiteley shopping Centre
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Well said clearly on receipt espresso on the side. Obviously cannot read. Coffee was vile so returned and got snapped at. Won't be coming back here.

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3.5

77 Opinions

location-iconGarnier Road Garnier Road Car Park, Winchester SO23 9PA England
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Have not been here since pre Covid. Other reviews were not so good, but we had no complaints. We were early on a Sunday morning so although quite a few people the service was not slow. The coffee was excellent, and the carrot cake jolly tasty. The toilets were very clean. For me I trod carefully on the terrace which did look a bit slippery.

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3.5

846 Opinions

location-icon116-117 High Street
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Staff very friendly and chatty.

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3.6

203 Opinions

location-iconHigh Street
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Excellent as always, delicious food, reasonably priced, I wish I’d had room for a pud. Lamb shank is a treat, tender as anything with proper veg.