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Nº 1389 in 2155 in Sheffield

Nº 170 of 245 British in Sheffield

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Pub with sport TV, various activities throughout the week. The Monday quiz may be too loud for some people's taste/hearing.

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Rob Marston . 2024-08-08

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Been for the first time today, had lunch and a few pints, food was fantastic and very reasonably priced! Beer was lovely, bar staff were really friendly especially a guy called Paul, will be revisiting again in the near future, thanks guys

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Thomas White . 2024-07-11

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Chill atmosphere, good place to chat with a pint with the football on in the background

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William Smith . 2024-07-03

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Really do love this pub. Food is so nice! Definitely recommend ordering a few of the starters as small plates. Staff are always very friendly and welcoming and have a really good selection of drinks. Its all very spacious and toilets are always really clean!

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Sarah Pepperdine . 2024-06-24

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As nice a Sunday dinner as I've had. Great staff. Thanks for looking after us. We will be back.

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David Fox . 2024-06-09

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Just another banal Greene King dump. Horrible food.

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Simon Garribaldi . 2024-06-08

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Such a lovely pub amazing service from keria drinks so we'll priced food choice brilliant can recommend the halloumi it was banging!!!

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lauren_mc84 . 2024-05-25

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Amazing service from keria food and drinks so good amazing atmosphere

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Lauren McWhinney . 2024-05-25

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Went in for lunch, great location and lovely beer garden over looking the river. Fantastic service by Ben and Holly, couldn’t have asked for more.

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Harry Dale . 2024-05-19

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Nice boozer, good music, football was on, win

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Ian Darroch . 2024-05-18

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What a truly love pub!!! On my visit I was welcomed by very friendly staff then to realise there was a charming young man with Special needs employed by the pub this was really heartwarming. He was polite and friendly and very helpful. Our food was amazing and the service was 5* I will definitely be returning. New favourite pub/restaurant.

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Jennie Simnett . 2024-05-16

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I Came here with my wife and two teenagers. Enjoyable experience for all. I would highly recommend it. We will most definitely be going back.

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Tom D . 2024-05-15

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Walked a long way to come here and menu wasn't updated from online version and much more expensive manager confirmed they forgot to change very disappointed Have sent prove to manager via email that old menu is on internet when you type in pub all prices like £2 more than the old menu you see when you arrive.

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Alexander Scott . 2024-05-15

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Probably the pest pub in Sheffield. We’ll manage by Paul and all his team members. The staff are very professional at their care and attention to every customer. The building as a whole is exceptionally clean and always kept tidy. The food is excellent that there chefs serve. I would highly recommend The Porter Brook door any occasion. Well done team.

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stuartbrench . 2024-05-14

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Regular visitors to Sheffield and always make a point of visiting here. Excellent choice of food and drinks at reasonable prices. One of the few places that manage to retain a great and friendly pub atmosphere with good food. Give it a try 👍

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Frazer . 2024-05-14

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Friendly place to watch football.

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Dave Dillner . 2024-04-12

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Great pub, great pints, nice atmosphere and fantastic weekly quizzes with Ryan who’s a great host! I Love going to Porter brook.came in for a meal with my partner and the new menu is great! The bao buns were lovely and the staff were great too! R

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jtomo96 . 2024-04-07

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Easter Sunday afternoon visit watching the Liverpool v Brighton game. Really good atmosphere, safe, convivial and friendly. Loved the Acorn Brewery Drop Kick real ale… delicious and morish… will be back soon 👍

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Gabby Goodall . 2024-03-31

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Really enjoy Porter Brook. Been coming for a few years and the changes they've made recently have worked really well. New food is great, staff are really friendly and the quiz is fantastic. Would highly recommend.

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Christopher D . 2024-03-27

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Great Place to stop in with friends and enjoy a couple of drinks. Bar staff very accommodating and food delicious as well. Will definitely be returning

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Jack Brown . 2024-03-27

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Came in on Monday night to do the quiz! What a charming host Ryan is! We had some of the new sharing plates and the Jerk Chicken Bao Buns and Pulled Beef Croquettes are absolutely lovely! Very reasonably priced and dog friendly too! Will definitely be back not only for the Monday Night Quiz but to watch the football too!

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sasha short . 2024-03-27

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Brilliant pub with brilliant staff,

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Jack Biddle . 2024-03-27

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Great place for lunch and to take your dog; service is always amazing, Tony goes above and beyond. Will definitely be back

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Dylan Williams . 2024-03-27

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Good atmosphere lovely pint of Amstel and a great place to watch the aport

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Jack Hinchliffe . 2024-03-27

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Really great lunch or the porter break yesterday; amazing service as usual; Tony went above and beyond. Great place to bring your dog and watch the world go by

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Aavvccdd1234 . 2024-03-27

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Came for lunch today.Good beer, nice food at reasonable prices & excellent service from Ben

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Catherine Davison . 2024-03-14

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Ellie behind the bar was brilliant and went above and beyond, she’s a credit to the pub!

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PJ . 2024-02-08

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Food selection ok, and drink selection good. Food tasted great, but I he server dropped a used fork on me, which was my fault for stacking the plates bad, however a quick sorry and walk off didn’t feel too sincere.

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ROBERT LUNT . 2024-02-06

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Great place, we loved the location and ambience, had a wine and some very tasty and varied small sharing plates, BUT unfortunately the service was not at all friendly or welcoming. This was our first visit, hope we were simply unlucky and the bar staff were having an “off” day. We will give it another try because the pub and customers were all very nice!

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Guide107917 . 2024-01-04

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Bald gay Ryan was the absolute best foe service with us love this place bangin tunes the fibe is so good our range was 20 to 55 yrs he was brill with us all 💕

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Emma F . 2023-12-30

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We sopped here for food and drinks when visiting Sheffield recently. The food was lovely and the staff were friendly . Great atmosphere with a mix of locals and students. Will definitely drop in again when we're in the area.

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Rachae Smith . 2023-12-10

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Great traditional pub in a fantastic location. Really cosy! Beautiful food! The pub quiz is great fun and they often have a good band on. Overall great atmosphere

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Katie Govier . 2023-12-09

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Recently visited for some food and a few drinks with my autistic partner, amazing staff and service really helpful and polite, the food was beyond what I'd have expected as I've been to worse restraunts! Found the drinks reasonably priced for the area and surroundings, lovely beer garden with river out back as well which would be a delight in the summer months! Can't wait to visit again. A merry Christmas to all the staff if I don't see them before 😊

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Tom White . 2023-12-08

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I visited recently with my family. It's one of the jewls of Sheffield this pub. Great service from the manager and staff. You can sit outside in summer, by the stream. You can tell it's going the extra mile. Movie and Karaoke nights, love the poster designs. Food was hot and fresh - beer great. Haven't been for ages, will be back! So friendly.

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John Bander . 2023-12-08

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Great spot for watching the footy and getting some food. Always a friendly welcome and cracking atmosphere, especially on karaoke nights.

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Michael Eckhardt . 2023-12-05

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Friendly atmosphere and staff, yummy food and love that it’s dog friendly🙂we had some small plates to share which were great.

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laurahughes88 . 2023-12-04

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Paul, the manager is not true to his words. Not good for the local community having somebody you cannot trust running a pub. Look elsewhere. Will not visit again.

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Josh C . 2023-11-28

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Beware crazy priced beers. £5.05 for a 330ml bottle of Peroni!

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Richard Tate . 2023-11-26

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Usually I only come in for the football so when England played on Monday night I was pleasantly surprised to find there was a pub quiz on too! The host Ryan was very funny and loved the find the paper clip round!! The other two members of staff were great as well! The pub was very clean and tidy and service was excellent

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johnMcCall2307 . 2023-11-21

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Great pub, wonderful staff. It could have been so much better if the food had been up to scratch. The meals we had were all very over cooked even burnt. Onion rings inedible and dry burnt burgers. My daughters scampi was rock hard and bone dry from more overcooking in old fat. I have eaten in many Greene Kings before and the food has always been ok, but this one was criminal. I know I should have complained but being there for only a short time to visit my daughter at University, I just didnt want the fuss spoiling my visit. Perhaps the cook had a bad day, but it wasn't busy and no self respecting staff member should have sent this to the table. On plus side drinks were good especially the draught ale and reasonably priced.

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Mark Simcox . 2023-11-11

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Nice traditional atmospheres on Ecclesall road

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Ryan Jamieson . 2023-10-22

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Fantastic little pub, great selection of beers and the food choice, quality and service was excellent.

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Paul Brown . 2023-10-15

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really nice place to meet drink and eat

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wendy kinsley . 2023-10-12

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Great pub, very traditional on a road full of new style bars. Extensive food offering, TV's showing sports, and a great beer garden.

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Gavin Lambert . 2023-10-08

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Friendly staff and a nice Greene King pub. Nice to see Bonkers Conkers available.

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Colin Brown . 2023-10-01

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What an amazing karaoke night. Absolutely top class. Staff were second to none and the atmosphere was incredible. Thursday is the new Friday. Holly, Paul and Brandon, thank you ❤️

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Emilymoffat . 2023-09-28

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A lovely traditional pub with good pub food. Staff very friendly and accommodating (nothing was too much trouble). Was fairly busy but we didn’t have to wait long to be served at the bar or for our evening meal. Give it a try, you won’t be disappointed. 👍

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Ann B . 2023-09-20

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Top place in Sheffield for sky sports ⚽️ 👍👍

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Phil J . 2023-09-16

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Great atmosphere, plenty of different beers to choose from. Fab place for a drink with friends

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Debbie Skidmore . 2023-09-12

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Lovely setting right next to the brook. Great range of craft beers and cask ales. Top notch service and a great playlist on the speakers!

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Alvarez Kings . 2023-09-11

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Friendly atmosphere and staff, yummy food and love that it’s dog friendly🙂

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Laura Thompson . 2023-09-10

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Good sports pub with banging full English breakfast

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Oliver Barber . 2023-08-27

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Nice place to stop for lunch when on Ecclesall road. Reasonably price

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Amy H . 2023-08-22

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For a couple of drinks and some food it was very pleasant.

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John Fowler . 2023-08-20

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Pleasant pub. Good choice of alcohol-free beers. Pleasant garden.

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Chris Collin . 2023-08-12

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Great place, good beer, busy. Watched Broad get his final wicket Vs the Aussies. Everyone joined in clapping. Shame I left my glasses there and have now headed home, 4hrs away...I'll be back in 2 months to find them!

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Guy Jefferson . 2023-08-01

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Great for live music. The staff are sometimes a bit disinterested which can spoil it and the craft beer options are poor. There's usually a lively atmosphere.

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Steve Mellor . 2023-07-25

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Eccy Road was our old stomping ground in the 80s so First time back at the Porter in nearly 40 years. Didnt disappoint with great service, lovely staff and fab food. Thank you Porter Brook, we will be back!

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Faith Harvey . 2023-06-29

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I actually love Eccy Rd,so many good places to go! But Porter Brook have the nicest and friendliest staff working there. Myself and my daughter have been many time's to dine out there,and never been disappointed with the food or service we have received!😊 This has to be one of my favourite pubs,even if I have to catch 2 buses to get there! So if you love good food,and great service get yourself to Porter Brook you won't be disappointed!!

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Morag Mills . 2023-06-19

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Nice little pub, happy with just the right amount of busy.

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Yan-Erik B . 2023-06-04

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Great pub with great service!!!! Had an amazing time here!!! Great folks with greater conversations!!

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Jesse W . 2023-06-01

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Really good pub, good atmosphere, friendly staff and nice food, Highly recommend

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Peter Gears . 2023-05-31

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Madge and I making our first ever visit to this Greene King pub. Madge ordered a pint of Abbeydale Moonshine, a 4.3% Pale Ale. Claimed a CAMRA price discount on this lovely pint. A one room albeit doglegged room with outdoor seating front and rear. Not the best beer gardens. Music over the speakers a bit loud for me. Several TV's and empty tables booked for the footie play off final involving the only English team named after a Bank Holiday..Sheffield Wednesday!! ..Speaking as an old git, in my day you could not reserve a pub table, so we would be in 3 hours before kick off, drinking like fish. Now fans rock up at kick off, sit in the reserved table, and nurse one or two pints for the 2 - 3 hours it takes to complete a final. How odd pubs allow / encourage this? (Note..always check what time the reservation starts. Many times we have grabbed an empty table in a busy pub because it is 1 or 2 hours off the booking.)

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MADDOGLEP . 2023-05-29

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Busy Sunday afternoon watching footy.....great atmosphere!

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Gordon Harrison . 2023-05-29

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Lovely pub, freindly staff n nice pub grub.

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Mich Dawson . 2023-05-22

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Really nice pub. But slow service, since the barmaid with the long dark hair has left. I've been in today for our half lunch break and the bar staff took 9 minutes for us to get served (it wasn't even busy). Bring back Keira

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Sean F . 2023-04-28

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You know what , even it is a chain pub the 3 / 5 plate deals are excellent. Good drink prices and friendly customer service . Will return. Highly recommended.

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Lasrup . 2023-04-18

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Excellent venue Excellent staff and a pleasure to have visited a proper English pub Top Marks

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Andy Booth . 2023-04-18

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Einer der schönsten Pubs. Ich freue mich immer wieder darauf hier zu sein. Atmosphäre und Getränke sind spitze und auch das Essen echt gut

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Jan S . 2023-04-16

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My first visit back to steel city in years so the Porter Brook is top of my list to check out after spending many a good evening in there. Their cask ales 🍺 are outstanding so I insist y'all go and try some for yourselves, cos to say different means you're probably a scouser.

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Andrew Rees . 2023-04-09

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Good food, dog friendly, really really great staff

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Ffion Jones . 2023-04-08

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Our new go too! Fabulous atmosphere, good range of gins, mixers, lagers, ales. Always busy, speaks for itself!

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Sharon Glave . 2023-04-08

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An iconic pub on Eccy Road with the River Porter running past the windows. Popular with locals and students. Good range of draft beers.

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Mike Pupius . 2023-04-01

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We go to the Porter Brook semi regularly & the team are always extremely friendly, polite & professional, especially Keira who we've met a few times now. We actually ate last night, normally we just have wine. We had a sharing platter, & hummous dip which was very nice & came out quickly. Keira advised us on the wine, & we managed the bottle with no problem! We had a lovely evening so many thanks & highly recommended.

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Jo W . 2023-03-24

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Friendly staff, good selection of drinks, free WiFi, good atmosphere

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Clare Broadbent . 2023-03-20

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Pleasant surroundings quiet which was nice as we were able to have a conversation without shouting, young lady who served us was lovely, meal was lovely had the cheese toastie.

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Gillian Thomas . 2023-03-05

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2nd time we have been our son is at the University of Sheffield, again food and service was excellent, place was extremely busy but staff were friendly and helpful, well done to all, will come again

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Mark Drakard . 2023-03-05

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I always pop into the Porterbrook when I’m in Sheffield. I’m always on the lookout for a traditional English style pub that serves good food but still retains a proper pub atmosphere. And this place excels at both. Great choice of beers and gins. The food menu is pretty extensive and well cooked and presented at reasonable prices. Friendly helpful staff just add to the whole pub experience. Give it a try you won’t be disappointed.

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207frazerb . 2023-02-18

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Very nice pub. Always welcoming for drinks ot sometimes for food or watching a game

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Dragos Ionescu . 2023-02-05

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Always love to visit here, nice and busy like pubs should be, and the food is fantastic never had a bad meal 👍

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Tracie . 2023-02-02

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Decent chain pub (Green King). Obviously not as rock-bottom priced as Spoons, but if you were to do a like-for-like comparison the difference is actually only about 20 or 30p, which is well worth it considering this place is much cleaner, better run and overall a much nicer place to grab a drink after work than most of the other chain pubs in Sheffield One of the its best features are its outdoor areas: one at the front facing onto Ecclesall Rd and a garden at the rear. Although not officially designated/enforced by the pub itself, customers tend to use the front as a smoking area and the garden as a snug. The rear garden also has music and a TV, which makes it a brilliant spot to watch football or have a drink in the sun during summer. It's by no means the largest pub garden on Ecclesall Rd, but it's not exactly small either. There's also a decent covered area which is nicely decorated with fairy lights and touch-activated heat lamps which make it very comfortable to sit in during the winter. The rear garden is parallel to the 'actual' Porter Brook (a stream which runs down from the Peak District and into Sheffield). It's a nice little touch, but unfortunately can be easily missed if you're not looking for it (immediately on your left as you enter the rear garden). Seems like most pubs on Eccy road have limited themselves to one particular drink (craft pubs/swanky cocktails/wine bars, etc.) but the Porter Brook is one of the few places where you can actually get everything in one place. Plus they have a wider selection of spirits than I’d wager 90% of pubs in Sheffield do (especially gins, they have A LOT of gins). The inside is pretty capacious and there's loads of massive TVs dotted about the place, making it an ideal venue for watching big matches. For any non-locals, i'd recommend going when one of the local teams (Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield United) are playing. This fills the pub up with people and always brings with it a really great atmosphere. On the topic of crowds, this is another one of the PB's strong points. There's always plenty of staff available and they're pretty speedy when it comes to making drinks. This means that you never have to wait more than about a minute or two to get served even when the building is full to the brim. The one downside is the food. It's not terrible and some items are better than others, but most is just fairly bog standard. Obviously no one is expecting a Michelin star meal when eating in a chain pub, but even by that low bar, there's lots of room for improvement. That being said, there are some pretty good burgers on the menu. If it's still available, go for the Katsu chicken burger - definitely the best item on the menu. To be honest, I'd wager that the disparity between the low quality food with the high quality of everything else is a deliberate decision on the part of the management. Food customers take up more crucial table space than drinks customers, plus having staff run to and from tables delivering/collecting plates takes up valuable time that could be spent working through any queues at the bar. In other words, this is the type of place that's ideal for after-work drinks and watching premier league matches, but probably not the best for a romantic candle-lit dinner.

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Daniel Rawle . 2023-01-17

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Good, but it was too loud for me

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Maggie Warnock . 2023-01-08

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Good standard pub, portion size for food was great and drinks weren't too pricey either!

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Matt H . 2023-01-06

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Not changed in years. A solid pub.

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Erica Brown . 2023-01-02

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Went in on quiz night. Vegan burger was very nice. Good range of beers.

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Melanie Rhinow . 2022-12-30

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All good a bit small but very was good

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Kevin The Lone wolf and Music . 2022-12-26

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Nice friendly pub, good range of beers amd does an excellent fish & chips.

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Ben Cooper . 2022-12-23

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Big thanks to Ryan , Kieran and Joe fir a fantastic night for our shop Xmas dinner - lovely food and great service would Definately go again

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Sthorne646 . 2022-11-30

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Came in with a friend to watch the England game last night was helped by Ryan to get a couple of seats in front of the tv to watch it and was also served throughout the night with a smile from Him and the others working

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jackh903 . 2022-11-30

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Lovely place with lovely staff (Ryan, Kiera and Joe). Very accommodating to our party, much appreciated xx

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evelyntD1810MG . 2022-11-30

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Keira and Megan were very welcoming and gave wonderful service, lovely atmosphere would definitely recommend

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lucyhE4406YS . 2022-11-23

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Best small plates in town ! There’s nothing I love more than picky bits after a walk and Porter Brook have the BEST new menue. The karrage chicken is 10/10 followed up in slide second with the honest mustard glazed sausages, lovely good with even...

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sashasO9772ON . 2022-11-14

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Nice pub, good selection of beers. However the bar staff need more training to realise that the people who have been waiting the longest should be served.

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Gerard Gorman . 2022-11-05

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I was in Porter brook green king and the waitress Kiera was very helpful and went above and beyond for us. Highly recommend

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conalg586 . 2022-10-22

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Lovley food and staff were helpful and friendly will come again😁

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Julie Myers . 2022-10-16

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Great pub quiz won lots of fun!, very interactive host was great win some drinks had a laugh what more can you ask for.

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williamsR8300EX . 2022-10-11

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Needs live music and a bit of life but natural setting. Rather comfortable, great staff. 👍

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Nike Anderson . 2022-10-09

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I've visited the Porter Brook on and off for the last 5 years, but in the past 12 months it's clear to see a great deal of work and effort has gone into improving the pub. I visited on Thursday 6th October with my partner...

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christopherdC8465RG . 2022-10-06

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I came in to watch the football solo and got talking to a lad at the bar called Bryan. Very knowledgable

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Paulyyboy72 . 2022-10-03

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Love this place. I always feel welcomed like a local when I have a drink here.

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Jennifer M . 2022-10-02

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